technicolor

in: Researches on Physics, ancestral Traditions and Shamanism
Interview of Sós József, Krakow, April 2014

YOU WERE TELLING ME A STORY ABOUT THE SHAMANS.

 

YES, THE HUNGARIAN SHAMANS.

I WANTED TO HEAR THE WHOLE STORY FROM YOU.
YES. YOU KNOW I READ A BOOK ABOUT THE OLD HUNGARIAN SHAMANS. THE RESEARCHER, THE AUTHOR OF THE BOOK, SAID, THAT HUNGARIAN SHAMANS WERE DIFFERENT FROM OTHER NATIONALITIES SHAMANS. OLD HUNGARIANS LEAVED IN THE sztyeppe OF RUSSIA NEAR THE URAL MOUNTAINS AND CAME LATER INTO EUROPE. THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SHAMANS, IS THE METHOD OF LEARNING. LOT OF SHAMANS WERE CHOSEN BY TEACHING. AN OLD SHAMAN TAUGHT A YOUNG SHAMAN AND THERE WERE SHAMANS SCHOOLS ETC. IN THE LEGENDS IT APPEARS AS SOMETHING TO LEARN FROM A BOOK OR FROM TEACHING. BUT HUNGARIAN SHAMANS WERE JUST DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER AND THEY WERE CHOSEN DIRECTLY BY THE GHOSTS.

HOW.
YOU KNOW, IN THE YOUNG AGE THEY FELL INTO AN ILLNESS AND GOT HIGH FEVER. IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE USAGE OF A DRUG. AND THEY WENT OFF FROM THE REAL, THE REALITY, INTO ANOTHER WORLD.
DURING THEY WERE LYING ON THE BED, DURING THIS ILLNESS, THEY EXPERIENCED ANOTHER WORLD, WHERE THE GHOST KIDNAPPED THEM. DURING THIS KIDNAPPING THE GHOST TEARED THEM INTO PARTICLES, TEAR DOWN HIS HANDS, HIS LEGS, HIS HEAD. THEN THE GHOST PUT THE SHAMAN BACK TOGETHER, FROM PARTS INTO AN ENTIRE BODY AGAIN, USING METAL WIRES TO FIX THE BODY PARTS.

IN THE MIND ? IS IT ALL HAPPENING IN THE MIND, OR THERE, WHEN THEY TAKE THEM.
IT WAS ALL HAPPENING IN THE MIND. THE CROWD SAW THAT THE SHAMAN IS ILL, IS SICK, BUT IT HAPPENED INTO ANOTHER DIMENSION.

H-HM. IN WHAT YOUNG AGE.
OH IN THE YOUNG PART OF LIFE. I THINK. IT WAS BY DRUGS, AMANITA MUSCARIA, THE MUSHROOM.
EVERY SHAMAN HAS GOT A DRUM. THERE WERE DRAWINGS ON THE DRUMS, DEPICTING A HUGE LADDER
(Leiter). LIKE IN THE JEWISH JACOB’S LADDER. THIS LADDER WENT FROM THE HELL TO THE GROUND AND FROM THE GROUND TO THE SKY, TO THE HEAVEN. IT WAS ALSO A TREE, A TREE OF LIFE. THE SHAMAN TRANSPORTED HIMSELF FROM HELL TO THE GROUND, FROM THE GROUND TO HELL, FROM HELL TO HEAVEN OR FROM HEAVEN TO GROUND, AND FROM GROUND TO HEAVEN, SO HE WAS A TRAVELER, BETWEEN THE DIMENSIONS IN THE WORLD.
AND IT WAS ABOUT MUSIC. THE DRUM MUSIC. THE SHAMAN SHOWED TO THE PEOPLE. AND YOU KNOW THE SHAMAN WAS THE EXPERT OF THE HORSES.

HOW THEY WERE TRAVELING FROM ONE DIMENSION TO THE OTHER ?
IT WAS SYMBOLIC. BECAUSE THE REALITY HAS CHANGED AROUND THE SHAMAN. WHERE WAS THE SHAMAN, THE ENVIRONMENT HAS CHANGED . HE FELT THAT HE IS IN HELL OR IN HEAVEN, OR HE IS JUST IN THE GROUND. LIKE THE CHRISTIAN DIMENSIONS OF SPACE, THE HELL, THE WORLD AND THE HEAVEN. IT WAS THE SAME BUT WITHOUT GOD, WITHOUT THIS THINGS. A SHAMAN WAS JUST A TRAVELER.

HE WAS TRAVELING IN HIS DREAMS, IN HIS MEDITATION, IN THE DRUGS, OR ALL IN THE SAME ?
THE SAME.

EVERYTHING TOGETHER ?
EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
[…] ALSO THERE WAS A MYTHICAL THING, THE DRAGON. THERE WAS A DRAGON OR A HORSE. IN THE HUNGARIAN OLD MYTHOLOGY, THE SHAMAN RIDE A HORSE OR A DRAGON.YOU KNOW, UNTIL THE 19s CENTURY, THE SHEPHERDS OF THE HUNGARIAN COUNTRY SIDE, THE SHEPHERDS KEPT THE TRADITION OF SHAMANS. THE SHEPHERDS WERE USING DRUGS. THERE ARE SOME CERAMICS OR DRAWINGS OF THE 19s CENTURY YET ABOUT THE SHEPHERDS WITH A DRAGON, OR A HORSE, OR SOMETHING.

THEY WERE SHAMANS.
YEAH. I ALSO READ AN ARTICLE IN THE INTERNET ABOUT THAT : IN ENGLAND UNTIL THE 19s CENTURY, IN CHRISTMAS TIME, WITH SANTA CLAUS, AMANITA MUSCARIA WAS DEPICTED ON POSTCARDS.

YES ! ALLRIGHT.
SO THESE HUNGARIAN SHEPHERDS, THEY WERE LONELY, THEY WERE ALONE ON THE COUNTRYSIDE ?
YES THEY WERE ALONE. THEY WERE LONELY MEN WHO WERE TOTALLY FREE. BECAUSE THEY WERE OUT OF ANY ORDER. THEY WEREN’T FARMERS OR CITIZEN OF THE TOWN, OR ARISTOCRATS. NOTHING WITHIN THE SOCIETY. THEY WERE OUTSIDE.

LIKE HERMITES ?
HERMITE ?
THE GUY THAT LIVES ALONE SOMEWHERE IN THE NATURE, TOTALLY APART FROM SOCIETY, LIKE A BEAR FROM THE FOREST.
H-HM, IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE THAT. TOTALLY THE SAME.

AND WHAT IS THEIR PURPOSE, THEIR MISSION. THEY LEARN FROM THE GHOST… AND WHAT THEY WANT WITH THIS.
THEY WERE DOCTORS,
– DOCTORS –
THEY WERE SPIRITUAL LEADERS, THEY WERE MUSICIANS, ARTISTS, MAYBE ARCHITECTS*.
– ARCHITECTS –
THEY KNOW THE BEST WAY TO MAKE A TENT, OR A jurta, THE HUNGARIAN ROUND TENT WHERE THE PEOPLE LIVE.

AND THEY LEARN FROM EACH OTHER OR THEY DON’T KNOW EACH OTHER.
NO THEY, THEY DIDN’T KNOW EACH OTHER. OR THEY MET EACH OTHER WHEN THEY BECAME SHAMAN. BUT THEY WERE TOTALLY DETACHED WHEN THEY WERE CHOSEN FOR THIS CLUE.
[…]
THERE WAS NO TEACHING. THE THINGS JUST CHANGED AND HE BECAME A SHAMAN. EVERYTHING WAS CLEAR FOR THE SHAMAN AFTER THIS SERIOUS, BAD FEELING, OF THE ILLNESS.


* ARCHITECT in hungarian is építész, ACTOR is színész, COLOR is szín.

/technicolor: theories of physics beyond
the Standard Model, initially modeled after
quantum chromodynamics/